![]() So you can be this fly on the wall and hear these extraordinary debates over philosophy, over personnel. Form about 1969 through 1980 he just made hundreds of tape recordings, he taped all of the executive board meetings of the union from about 1973 through 1980. ![]() "The tape recordings are really extraordinary. On having access to dozens of tape recordings made by Chavez: He embodied an awful lot of contradictions and that's the full picture that I'm trying to convey." He was brilliant and he was nurturing, and he was ruthless at the same time and he was pragmatic and he was dreamy. He's been reduced almost to a very two-dimensional person and sort of sanctified in ways that I think don't do him any service because his complexity is part of what makes him really interesting. He was a very complicated guy. "The story has been told in very hagiographic terms. On Chavez the man versus Chavez the myth: ![]() ![]()
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